Please remove sprint for pre awaken Tamer then the weaopon is drawn and make it that we only need to hold forward and tap L2 to use forward evasion like in the video explained 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zpL8-WLVUZE

Tamer Passtive: Fortune Blessing

Currently:

Weight Limit + 25 Lt

Max HP + 50

New Rework Idea

Movement Speed + 5%

Reason Why:

As Classes come out and such of past ones. Sage, Corsair, Musa and now sorc too with their rework in progress as is happing.

Evading is now hitting a longer means of types and means in game play as of now for tamers,  and It is all so now becoming harder to keep up with in many ways at times for different reasons or sorts at times.

So as a way to keep up and to be able to, I say switch tamer Passtive to 5% movement. For one it means we can keep up and help are allies. To keep up with other players and or  (enemy) players. 

A good thing with this might give the class extra room for Addon space as many of us tamers I noticed use Speed Addons. With this it will give us a little free room to use other things too, and a few more options in pve/pvp types of game play.

As for pve to land and hit the target for the speed boost at times if missed their a cool down so it lowers the time to go to mobs and trash per hour.

With this change it helps gives us more options for pve stuff, and helps us keep up in situations in PvP As we are falling behind in the speed meta at the moment. 

please please change the pre awakened foward spam movement to just a hold to do the linking iframe movement 

I AM FLOWINGTREE A 1 YEAR CONSOLE TAMER WHO SPENDS ALL MY TAMER TIME PRACTICING COMBOS, RBFING OR PVPING IN BA 1.

I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE MY OPINIONS ON THE SKILLS AS I MAY PROVIDE SOME DIFFERENT FEEDBACK COMPARED TO THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE HEARD MORE SO THAN BREAK CONVENTION. I AM AN AWAKENING ONLY TAMER AND I DON'T PVE ON MY TAMER AT ALL (I HAVE GUARDIAN/sLAHN/sNOVA/WITCH FOR THAT) I HAVE 2739 KILLS IN RBF (NOT MUCH xD) 

I AM CURRENTLY 271/275/334 KUTUM, BUT HAVE BEEN AS HIGH AS 289 AP NOUVER

THESE ARE MY OPINIONS. ALTHOUGH I MAY AGREE IN SOME CASES WITH WHAT WAS PROVIDED ON THE (Tamer Reboot - Community compilation notes.) I USED THEIR POST AS A BASELINE TO PROVIDE MY FEEDBACK

I HAVE TESTED TAMER BUFFS PERSONALLY ON GLOBAL LABS FOR 4-6 HRS (FLOWINGTR3)

Pre-Awakening; Shortsword

EVASIVE ATTACK

On console i tend to use evasive attack, streaming flow and flashing step for slight repositioning and combo chaining. because of all the flows if i can fill/reposition quickly and chain into debuff/swap with high speed

Please remove the Knockback effect(knockbacks are basically useless)

Please add a frontal guard or super armor. I prefer frontal personally or maybe even a “parry” 

VOID LIGHTING

The skill is now swift and fluid to use, Thank you.  

AIR LIGHTING

The skill is now perfect, Thank you.

BOLT/ JOLT/ EVASIVE ATTACK

Should atleast have frontal guards, it would help safely transition without  the use of y swap which at least for me on console is a pain(hotkey slots are not nearly as plentiful as on pc, a pc player can hot slot 20 skills and route buttons , a console player most likely can only hot ring menu 6 things while retaining 2 full ring menus of useful menus or combat buffs and cant adjust the buttons) i believe adding frontals at least to the initial frames of the skills would be relatively fair for opponents while adding protection and leaving the potential to be outplayed.

THROATBURN

I don't use this skill and have never sought to use it because of the button conflict.  It would be preferred if the skill input was changed so that it does not clash with Allround Spinner for Awakening Tamers.

FLASH SKILL TREE

The skill Flash, Pole Thrust skills have a good skill effect and are fine, but the Area of Effect is still small.

 Stance Shift:insta lock. is ok but less useful for me because i prefer the forward movement skills and usually chain many slight movement abilities together to move more fluidly i would prefer to not move back to a spot im most likely trying to run away from. If pole thrust had a knockdown I would consider using it.

SHARPENING CLAWS

Because I lock stance shift(see above) I cant use sharpening claws, a useful ability. why not just put the bleed on all levels of flash  and have its timer reset if hit again.

FEARFUL TREMBLING

Please speed up animation 10-20% i don't mind it being grab bait but being locked in place for so long generally gets me grabbed so i must be very careful when using it. My only decently large aoe besides roaring and resonance.

WHIPLASH/LIGHTNING OF EARTH

I don't use it because I prefer the constant capability of swapping and I don't ever want to get trapped in pre awakening by using RT frivolously.  Seems like decent damage and filler though.

TREE CLIMB/TREE BOUND/ HIDDEN CLAW/ GEYSER

Tree climb should not be auto lock on on console

Tree bound should automatically fire on hit unless you are holding geyser.

Tree bound should have a stiffness or bound on impact (i literally just flipped into them and caught them) realistically the only combo off of this is (TC>TB>GRAB) if you don't odds are you die at the TB because you just cced yourself while touching the opponent whos not cced at all(only scratch has a stiffness). To survive you would have had to miss the attack to get the lingering iframe or scratch before you touched them. 

Geyser Mediocre (flipping back with no protection is lame, SA would be good here or if flipping back into geyser pls give frontal the whole time.)

Hidden Claw Best. gives options for early exit and and side exit which with the new changes to camera movement allow for high speed canceling and tracking of opponent for grabs and such in those close quarters combat situations. Like instead of TC>TB>GRAB I CAN WW>LBP>TC>SCRATCH>GRAB

WW EVASION

Tamer ww needs a little love on console. (^+LT, ^+^, ^+LT+LT) are good, BUT NOT 1 BUTTON GOOD

Hot keys have a delay and current input methods are mediocre. Combine this with the ability to see protections in ba and it becomes very easy to range down a tamer who tries to defend themselves with WW

WW Evasion is our easiest method for dodging incoming burst damage at a moments notice and can be chained into scratch for even more protective potential.

ROARING

Cancel is nice but I struggle to find skill points or a use for this skill. Skill has improved despite my lack of will to use it.

*TAMER LOW KICK* 

I mostly want this for aesthetic reasons but how come I have so many high kicks? i can spin jump kick, liu kang kick, kick someone off their feet. I cant trip them low kick style, bicycle kick or pat barry leg kick like you would assume someone this talented at martial arts would be capable of.

Awakening; Bo Staff

BEAST RAMPAGE

The increased Area of Effect is good. BEST SKILL IN WHOLE KIT 

CLOUD STOMPING

Streamlining is great

Skill should be frontal guard while loading up and iframe while in the air.

If not iframe it should at the very least be able to avoid all ground based non projectile/magic attacks.

Please add back the Invincibility effect for the Cloud Ride portion of the Cloud Stomping skill, to match such movement of other classes (eg. Guardian, Corsair). This may sound like a dramatic change, however Tamer is a pure melee class unlike the aforementioned classes that lacks a solid disengage - making Large Scale PvP unplayable without such.

FLOW FULL MOON

Full moon should be quick slotable and potentially have a flow from beast rampage and a couple beast dances maybe even echo pierce. With the changes to full moon in global labs I feel the new way to poke/fish safely will be core moonlight into full moon. Which does make comboing post full moon difficult but not impossible. The flow from beast dance left was also removed, making this moonlight>full moon interaction one dimensional, combine that with the fact that we will most likely want to rampage next and it just seems a bit clunky.

HOWLING

The ability to bring Heilang back to you during this skill is a welcomed improvement, Thank you.

10 sec cooldown amazing it's no call opening but i'll take it 

CELESTIAL SLAM

Skill needs protection or else it's relegated to the finisher position in the combo chain. It's got a short cc which is mostly useless because we generally throw this skill when someone is already cced not to fish for a cc. It's got great damage but almost 0 utility, if this was protected we could use it in more places not just when intimidated or on the floor. Very good skill either way

ALLAROUND SPINNER

A slight increase in Damage for this skill would be welcomed, as Tamer does not have much protected trading Damage for Large Scale PvP. Allround Spinner does not have a CC, and has very little range - so a slight Damage increase would not be unbalanced. This would also benefit the PvE for Awakened Tamer. Second. skill is meh and I really only use it for the slightly protected movement.

FLOW : SOARING STRIKE

Meh af. it's ok but in reality I don't need another finisher. It's pretty much just another filler skill for finishing someone who's not quite dead yet. no protections roughly translates to i'm only going to use this when someones already cced. Why would I use this over celestial? Or even a full moon if that had a hotkey. 

LEGENDARY BEAST DANCE

The unification of effects for all dance types is good, the echo pierce resonance changes on global in unison with this are amazing, and add a lot of potential for new combos. I think each dance should buff a playstyle similar to the animal it represents.

HEILAND : BESERK

I still get knocked and killed would prefer an offensive effect like the lower my health the more damage buff i recieve or maybe i poison my sword and do % health damage idk something more fun than all dp+20, movement +15%, all res +30% i accept that i will never be tanky just improve my ability to outplay.

RAIN CURTAIN

The +20 DP buff requires the Tamer to hold the Blocking status without being hit for 2 seconds. Bad. Please increase the speed of getting buff even if you reduce the time it lasts by a lot.

HEILANG

I'm interested to see how new heilang will perform compared to nova minions as the recent changes make me believe he will be much less useless but i want you to know that the standard for minions is striker/succession nova 

I pray for the day my dog is feared on the same level as a striker or nova minion 

COMMANDS

Not enough hot keys to have a valid opinion about commands and skills while riding doggo

Rabam/Skill Enhancements

RESONANCE

Please increase the Area of Effect this skill to match stately dignity from succession lahn and make it 10-12 sec cooldown 

HORROR SLAM

Unpro useless gonna take resonance every time

LEGENDARY BEAST CLAW

Clunky useless ww faster and jolt stab is good

JOLT STAB

This skill is fine as it is. Thank you!

LIGHTNING BURN

Useless and b spike is good

BREATH SPIKE

This skill is fine as it is. Thank you!

Other/Passive

 Increase tamer movement speed

The increase in global labs related to the maximum available travel distance and how early in a skill tree you reach max distance were good. I feel like it will help. 

If you could LBP and WW back to back it would help us keep up a bit better. our movement is very bursty and good but it would help if we could retain the overall pace a bit longer.

Flurry of kicks should be a bound (explained above in tree climb)

Overall the Skill tree streamline is very useful, and reduces Tamer Skill Point usage a little.

But you guys still need to reduce overall investment for many of the pre awakened skills. Why would I put 120 sp into whiplash and 47 into lightning of earth to buff RT spam..? I got 2k sp and i can't imagine farming 167 more sp just for that… Why do they have so many levels? This is true for most pre awaken skills.

- Swap the Crowd Control effect from Beast Rampage with its Core: Forward Guard effect; This means the skill can be used as a greater damage skill so that Tamers can then choose their Core more flexibly. 

The ‘Fortune’s Blessing’ is dated, and not a good passive.

- Fortune's Blessing would benefit from a Movement Speed % increase effect; The reworks are seeing other classes becoming faster, the Tamer still has problems with keeping up. A small change such as this would impact both Succession and Awakening.

흑랑을 없애주는게 개편이죠.

아니면 전투중 흑랑에 아예 신경안쓰게 해주시던지요.

말씀데로 수랑이는 치고빠지는 전투스타일입니다.

그런 와중에 흑랑 신경쓸겨를 없어요.

포효가 개편된다고 하였는데, 멀리서 포효 쓰고 사방신무 사용하면 흑랑이 수랑이있는쪽으로 이동을 해버려서 포효가 의미가 있는건지 의아하기도 했어요 ...기대해보겠습니다 .

일일이 흑랑에 명령내리는게 아주 번거롭습니다. 올라타고 내리는데도 단축키로만 명령해야하고요. 순간탑승같은거 멋지게 구현해주세요. 그렇지만 가장불만은 흑랑의 느려터진 이동속도입니다. 엉금엉금...

흑랑에 올라타라고요? 나보다 느린데???

흑랑은 좀 더 속도감있게 행동을 했으면 합니다.  적어도 수랑이 달리기 속도 보다는 빨랐으면 합니다.

물에서 녹는것은 그렇다고 치고, 스피드만이라도 개선되기를 바랍니다. 

This will probably never happen but...

Can we change Succession Tamers idle pose? It's very boring. She has a very cool pose temporarily after using Bolt / Jolt, but she doesn't maintain this pose.

this should be tamers idle pose 

Her standard run animation (not sprinting) both in and out of combat, don't look very nice either. Out of combat her standard non sprinting run animation looks very rigid and masculine and her in combat not sprinting run animation looks very stiff and not fluid

both of her sprinting animations look very nice though 

Revert Tamers throat burn the new animations isn't wanted by pc nor console its preferred the old animation stays. Better to add a forward guard to the old animation. Than to make an uncancelable fg animations that would just end up getting locked cause its uncancelable

The rest of the rework was safe and clean we all as a tamer community even if you check all the tamer content creators and the TAMER CLASS CHAMPIONS who did left their comments on the class said theyd prefer it be reverted

So i ask that it be changed back as a tamers whos been the class since its release on console.

Classes that do similar things are ninja kuno mystic and lahn

Not to mention in tamers lore it speaks about said abilities (advent lorehead)

Agreed this would be a better stance for succession when idle for sure better instead of being the hunch back of norte dame

Speaking for Succession Tamer as I am unsure if these same issues affect Awakening as I do not play Awakening

Unbind forward evasion from L2+Forward

It makes it very difficult to move around because you're constantly wasting stamina dodging forward while trying to sprint in combat stance and you can't use legendary beasts power without sprinting and you cannot even sprint in combat if you're below 50% stamina because it automatically defaults to using forward evasion when pressing L2 below 50% stamina

Because of this you often find yourself having to just run without sprinting which is very slow because you run out of stamina. Even locking evasion doesn't prevent this from happening because the game prioritized using evasion over sprint when you're below 50% stamina

Solution: make forward evasion L2 double tap.

She is the only class I know of that cannot sprint in combat if they have less than 50% stamina. This makes her feel very slow and clunky and unable to keep up to other classes in grinding speed.

This effectively means that Tamer has 50% less stamina than every other class when it comes to what stamina actually matters the most for - movement.

Also allow the skill flow:leap to be used while sprinting. The fact that the skill can only be used while running normally makes it feel very clunky and not fluid. Being able to execute the skill while sprinting would make it a useful combat opener for aerial attacks.

Other than that I'm not sure what can be done. She has SEVERE stamina issues when moving around and trying to keep up to other classes.

If the design goal is to make weaker classes as good as Nova or Guardian than first and foremost what Tamer needs on console is a revamp of her movement. This is the single largest issue with playing her competitively in PvE versus other classes. Because no amount of damage buffs is going to allow her to keep up with other classes if she's suffering these movement issues

The problem with this is it makes it impossible to use LBP because you need to hold sprint to use (Legendary Beast Power) LBP and this is necessary for navigating PvE.

Sprint needs to either be automatically activated when holding forward or forward evasion needs to be a double tap "WW" without the stutter in between.

This solution would make PvP better but it would make grinding PvE even more slow and clunky than it already is.

As Ponda says in the video "if I want to sprint I'll sheath my weapon". That doesn't work in PvE while you're running around grinding. You need to sprint and you can't just put away your weapon between every pack 

Category: Tamer Rework

Subject: Unwanted changes

This will be very straight to the point. All of this rework for tamer is bad id prefer tamer as is it is now over the rework of tamer. Like the rework version of tamer makes me want the current version of the way more than whats on the way. Just throw the whole rework away give pet damage buff and leave us be. Nothing in the rework makes the appeal. Its like ordering a deluxe pizza and getting handed a slice of bread with tomato on it.

Again everytime i see changes the character gets shafted so for once please make a good decision and just dont release that version of tamer.

The tree climb linger basically destroys us as console especially and for sure pc 

Throat burn has been ruined ive already explained that in previous tickets. 

Ww is already bad so outright ruining it was a mega wrong move

Ive never seen a rework that makes me see the current version of tamer thats on live servers as a buff. 

The current tamer is better than the rework tamer. This is suppose to be a buff right? 

So to help just please revert and if revert isnt clear "change back" these listed skills and rework will be acceptable

The following is what needs to be changed back:

Tree climb linger iframe

Throat burn's animation

Ww cooldown

Hidden claw (give it back)

End of list

Then also everything else is fine i repeat this was meant to help our character remember? Not cause another massive reroll and it quitting to other mmos.

Rework Tamer

Category: Scratch

rework: as on test it seems the stiffness of scratch is taken off.

in pvp this skill is one of are kits with SA

it is highly used at the moment on live for kitting and catching enemy's in PvP and used as a kit to to reposition.

As on testing without the stiffness it is one less of are kits to use and moves to go into a reposition & or go for a grab.

and with the new grab cool downs that going into effect that one less stiffness in are kitting to be able to initiate the grab off cool down.

Please give stiffness back to scratch. 

Make tamers iframes more like succession lahn.

lahn can phantom > primrose> phantom in succession for a 3 sec iframe at the cost of 39 stamina leaving 61 stamina to fly away or fchase combo. if a lahn pops their buff: crescent charm all there movement skills won't consume stamina for 30 seconds (90sec cd) 

Imagine if leaves was the left/ right (iframe/sa 1 sec cd), gust was the backwards dash iframe(4/5 sec cd iframe) and berserk was equivalent to crescent charm. Berserk is currently an underwhelming buff that's very similar to crescent charm.

I believe this would be worth getting rid of the lingering iframe on tree climb because it would be better other places.(especially on a 1 second cd iframe/super armor skill)

I would like to see (leaves > ww >leaves) or (leaves> gust > leaves >ww) be possible and repeatable in a similar fashion to lahns (phantom>primrose> phantom) combo. Should cap out  at 7-10 iframes before stamina gone without stamina crystals.

tamer is less hindered by stamina overall so maybe giving better iframe capability that's tied to stamina management is a better idea since it's a resource we have in abundance.

tamer= breath lv 36 (stamina+560)   ww(7 stam), tree climb(14 stam),  leaves(16stam), gust(0 stam) 

lahn= breath lv 30(stamina +500)   phantom(14 stam), primrose(9stam) 

Upon further review the stamina costs are pretty similar. I almost never pay attention to my stamina bar when I'm playing tamer though.

also... update bsr's. Most of tamers bsr's are pretty meh and i'm sure this is the case for most classes bsr skills. If not make them better, reduce the activation time for bsr's overall. Tamers  25% is slow moving on the whip around. The 50% only really gives more forward range on garuda. Why 50% garuda?  When your 100% will kill them 100-0 100% of the time if you are not in rbf. You could even eat your rage and absorb heilang to become a GOD for 60 seconds. which is by far the best option.

tl:dr

increase ww to 12 stam cost (make it similar cost to furious chase/spring breeze)

make tree climb iframe only on jump in and never after.

make leaves 1 second iframe/sa

make gust 5 second iframe back dash only available with cooldown and cost stamina

make ww, leaves and gust combine smoothly. gaps are fine, we shouldnt be un-killable but movement should be fluid and skillful dodges should be possible.

update berserk its kinda lame.

Improve bsr skills for all classes

Void Lightning needs a buff, stiffness on good hits just isn't enough as it requires your opponent to be stood there for like 2 seconds before a slight stiffen effect. Void is Tamers bread and butter in PvP and its just feels so underwhelming as it is.

Please return or replace the Command:Rest that made heilang sit and recover slight hp before..

It was great for photos and just chilling and im really sad it's gone ;(

ALSO please oh please can we get a Heilang ICON in succ so we know when he is summoned!

2 Years tamer main.