Seriously, it is absolutely terrible, even worse than Neverwinter, and Neverwinter's gear enhancing system is TERRIBLE.

Yes, I know it won't change. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

Go ahead, apologists and tell me why I'm wrong and need to git gud or whatever, I don't care.

Enhancing in this game is THE. WORST. 

I enjoy literally everything else about this game, but I get the feeling that sometime in the future if I end up quitting and moving to another game, Enhancing will be the reason why.

thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

I agree for the most part, blowing up accessories is the worst feeling and we don’t even have TET and PEN yet. I just try not to get too triggered by it.

I don’t really foresee anyone defending the enhancement system too much because it’s far and away the least popular part of the game even among devoted players. It triggers everyone albeit to different degrees.

That said, some people really get into the gambling and probably enjoy the dopamine rush for its own sake (I personally don’t)

At least we can look forward to the purifying NPC to degrade gear. Having to suicide on neg karma alts is definitely one of the most absurd parts of the process, and getting rid of that step is a huge QoL improvement.

ive spent about a bil to get to tri on my liv its my 7th try tonight

when I'm feeling down I just start smashing asula/sealed together to feel better about myself 

4 hours ago, JayMadIV said:

Seriously, it is absolutely terrible, even worse than Neverwinter, and Neverwinter's gear enhancing system is TERRIBLE.

Yes, I know it won't change. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

Go ahead, apologists and tell me why I'm wrong and need to git gud or whatever, I don't care.

Enhancing in this game is THE. WORST. 

I enjoy literally everything else about this game, but I get the feeling that sometime in the future if I end up quitting and moving to another game, Enhancing will be the reason why.

thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

No defense here ... i f'ing hate it. 

Primarily the reason i quit pc. Blowing stuff up for a month straight got to me. 

I mean, its frustrating, but it really feels nice when it succeeds. I spent all day trying to build fs as a back up in case my Kzarka failed going to TRI, it succeeded first try though. I was frustrated because I couldn't build any fail stacks above 13, but getting it in the end felt very rewarding. So I can see why people hate it, I'm not going to defend it or even say I enjoy it, but I accept it as part of the game and enjoy the fact that only the very dedicated and/or lucky players will be the most powerful. 

4 hours ago, JayMadIV said:

Seriously, it is absolutely terrible, even worse than Neverwinter, and Neverwinter's gear enhancing system is TERRIBLE.

Yes, I know it won't change. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

Go ahead, apologists and tell me why I'm wrong and need to git gud or whatever, I don't care.

Enhancing in this game is THE. WORST. 

I enjoy literally everything else about this game, but I get the feeling that sometime in the future if I end up quitting and moving to another game, Enhancing will be the reason why.

thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

Go play origional Archeage before the enhancement changes and u will BEG to come back to this system

Imo best thing you can do to lesson the blow from a fail is have a backup in place. My main is a witch and so are two of my boss alts and there's a very good reason for this. Before I attempt to go past the (when its released) I plan on going for a second tri. If it fails in at least will have another so my gear score won't suffer, if it passes I got a boss alt who will love my backup and can actually use the mainhand weapon

Keep a dart board in your room with a picture of the black spirit. Not responsible for the holes in your wall...

Yeah its the one of the main reasons people quit/ break something 

11 hours ago, JayMadIV said:

Seriously, it is absolutely terrible, even worse than Neverwinter, and Neverwinter's gear enhancing system is TERRIBLE.

Yes, I know it won't change. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

Go ahead, apologists and tell me why I'm wrong and need to git gud or whatever, I don't care.

Enhancing in this game is THE. WORST. 

I enjoy literally everything else about this game, but I get the feeling that sometime in the future if I end up quitting and moving to another game, Enhancing will be the reason why.

thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

Agreed. This failsatack business is just ridiculous. Waste of time, too many resources and money. The chance rate is just terrible. I put off leveling gear until last night. Blew through my saved stones and only got my weapons to +15 and +14. Back to blackstone farming I guess. What's frustrating is when you are failstacking and the black spirit trolls you with a succes on 4% chance with reblath and your trying to go +14. Like what? Too much rng in a system that should have some protection in place. I mean make it so it keeps failing till 15 stones or so at that level. 

8 hours ago, Darthaden said:

Imo best thing you can do to lesson the blow from a fail is have a backup in place. My main is a witch and so are two of my boss alts and there's a very good reason for this. Before I attempt to go past the (when its released) I plan on going for a second tri. If it fails in at least will have another so my gear score won't suffer, if it passes I got a boss alt who will love my backup and can actually use the mainhand weapon

what this guy said. if you make sure to never go *down* in GS / AP / whatever, it's just tedious and not really as soul crushing. at the end of the day it's about internalising that it's all about persistence, and a little or lot of luck.

edit : I also want to point out that threads like these become magnets for all kinds of complaints, warranted or not. The enchantment system is challenging, often frustrating and fundamentally uncertain - but it is much more manageable than many new players think or say it is. Users who talk about being unable to hit stuff like +14 and blame the system itself probably just don't understand the game well enough or are extremely casual players who expect disproportionate gains relative to their investment. 

6 hours ago, Atreuss said:

Agreed. This failsatack business is just ridiculous. Waste of time, too many resources and money. The chance rate is just terrible. I put off leveling gear until last night. Blew through my saved stones and only got my weapons to +15 and +14. Back to blackstone farming I guess. What's frustrating is when you are failstacking and the black spirit trolls you with a succes on 4% chance with reblath and your trying to go +14. Like what? Too much rng in a system that should have some protection in place. I mean make it so it keeps failing till 15 stones or so at that level. 

This right here is why I don't failstack on reblath like most people, I use horse gear. If I happen to hit +10 (highest horse gear goes if anyone doesn't know) them great I got some nice gear for one of my horses, if I get my 20 stack I want great I can start going for duo on something......either way I'm happy

RNG is mostly unfair, mostly, not always.

For example, yesterday I made 0 to +15 on Leather Vambrace with 80 durability left AND made it ultimate with only one reform stone - that's some serious RNG carry. Then I two shot PRI and 4 shot DUO.. not a bad attempt at all. 

The other day I pretty much blasted all my Reblath.. and was left with bunch of +15 pieces.

Still loving the game XD

I got x3 30fs trying to +15 my muskan boots still at +14 , run out of money ,memory fragment and black stones , my liverto Is seating at +13 with 80 dura  cus muskan first  but fail 2 tri witch attempt at 43 fs ,  got tri necklets and tri belt tho  and i was able to make a duo marks for profit but I got to the point where I was about to open a hole on my tv  rngesus  did me good

since drop rate is so low , and the rng is so bad , I will probably quit once I start failing the expensive gear. but is to early to make predictions.

Just buy it.  I seem to be making millions in this game by selling crap nobody wants at max bid then buying tri bares whatever at min bid . When we get night venders ill try my luck with them since all my boss fights seem to last all of ten seconds and i get more stuff to sell and no gear. 

13 hours ago, Orisha said:

I got x3 30fs trying to +15 my muskan boots still at +14 , run out of money ,memory fragment and black stones , my liverto Is seating at +13 with 80 dura  cus muskan first  but fail 2 tri witch attempt at 43 fs ,  got tri necklets and tri belt tho  and i was able to make a duo marks for profit but I got to the point where I was about to open a hole on my tv  rngesus  did me good

since drop rate is so low , and the rng is so bad , I will probably quit once I start failing the expensive gear. but is to early to make predictions.

You can sell me these +14 muskans at max bid lol. 

The success rate of boss gear is half of whats displayed if not less, thats the triggering part, that your lied to the entire time to get you waste material and turn to the pearl shop. Since they lie about that what else are they lying about? I beg you do not dump a bunch of money into this game, the satisfied feeling your searching for never comes, then point where you dont need to turn to the pearl shop to make the game playable never comes or even lighten up. Send in a request for a refund and if denied do a charge back given the game is scheme to get your money and gives inaccurate data to get you to do so. Thats a fact.

On 4/18/2019 at 8:44 AM, Rocketfuel77777 said:

RNG is mostly unfair, mostly, not always.

For example, yesterday I made 0 to +15 on Leather Vambrace with 80 durability left AND made it ultimate with only one reform stone - that's some serious RNG carry. Then I two shot PRI and 4 shot DUO.. not a bad attempt at all. 

The other day I pretty much blasted all my Reblath.. and was left with bunch of +15 pieces.

Still loving the game XD

 

Its not RNG its a lie, with a supposedly %25 or better sucess rate my Kzarka from +15 still has not went to Pri after 14 attempts. After 40 or so green pieces ive never had anything close to that. 400+ mem frags to get it to +15 and i always ran high fail stacks. Thats not RNG thats being lied too. 

25% is still a 75% fail rate. It is still an abysmally low chance to proc so it's not surprising for someone to fail that many times. 

RNG is RNG. I one tapped my sub weapon from +15 to duo at 0fs fu/cking around. But haven't been able to get Tri after 8 tries on 30+fs. 

It is what it is. 

15 minutes ago, Shanath said:

25% is still a 75% fail rate. It is still an abysmally low chance to proc so it's not surprising for someone to fail that many times. 

RNG is RNG. I one tapped my sub weapon from +15 to duo at 0fs fu/cking around. But haven't been able to get Tri after 8 tries on 30+fs. 

It is what it is. 

People think 25% means 1 in 4 chance but its not. Every roll is a fresh 25 success 75 fail. You could fail 5000 times with bad rng, but doesnt change the fact that each roll is 3 times as likely to fail then succeed.

I hate when i 0 tap a +15 or a duo but it happens(more often then not when im actually trying to build a fs)

8 minutes ago, SoMoist said:

Its not RNG its a lie, with a supposedly %25 or better sucess rate my Kzarka from +15 still has not went to Pri after 14 attempts. After 40 or so green pieces ive never had anything close to that. 400+ mem frags to get it to +15 and i always ran high fail stacks. Thats not RNG thats being lied too. 

they implement the rng system here because they know how competitive players can be , they know once player start failing and breaking gears they will turn to the pear shop trying to minimize failing at all cost  and that's money for they packet. #p2w. that's 25% rate is a meme.

at the moment nothing of that bothers me since I don't p2w and I don't see myself playing this game for a long period of time, I have try everything  implemented in the game from life skilling to grinding and everything is super boring, the only thing that keeps me playing  is the pvp and node wars and im a 400gs striker and 400gs witch. at soon as x game come out im out.

I think that we will see more Xbox player leaving once further content come out with more expensive accessories once they grind for like 4 hours to get one or two ring drop  and blow them later on enhancement costing them multiples real life hours and billions of silver but there is players that's still love this system look at pc for example,  the game is well populated  there , is not like one of the big mmo games but is doing ok.

PA won't change any of that ,they are too money hungry, if they change the enhancement  rate, money will stop coming and that's not good for business.

I wish you the best of luck to you all enhancing... 

Some of you have never played Maplestory and it shows... lol but forreal, atleast in BDO it displays your failstacks and even your success chance so you know the exact risk every single time. Traditionally, Korean grinder MMOs have not been so forthright with the RNG.

I hate the system as well, I'd be okay if I were able to store my failstacks into a valks and apply it regardless of where my failstacks on my other characters are at but.. unfortunately that's not the case.
Imagine I fail 15 times I store it and try again to get 15 more failstacks; I then combine both for 30 failstacks but instead you have to try to fail just to prevail like that's truly annoying. I've been trying to Tri my Kzarka sword for the longest time and it's just not working out. I'm blown away that people on youtube somehow amass 100 failstacks on PC but if we can at-least have a system where we can just fail on purpose, then that would alleviate all of my issues with failstacking.

On 4/18/2019 at 2:48 AM, Uberkull said:

Keep a dart board in your room with a picture of the black spirit. Not responsible for the holes in your wall...

One of the reasons why I wear the "hated by the black spirit" title. ?

Yes the RNG is harsh, i failed my TRI MoS for 6 times before betting it, melting like 800 mil just for that :D. But hey - if you don't like RNG, just buy the Accessories off Marketplace and Cron your higher tier Enchantments on Gear. You might need to wait a while, but it's absolutely legit way of going about it. I can for sure tell you i will NOT TET my Accessories and preorder em all. 

A couple weeks ago, not long after I made this thread.  I successfully enhanced my Yuria Blade to Duo. I was incredibly happy. YEAH BOY!  Finally had a decent weapon to replace my Black Abyssal.

I kept going, trying for Tri just like any normal enhance. fail, fail,fail,fail. At which point I said oh well, at least I got a Duo, that'll do for now, I can repair my weapon and try again later.

bought a buncha green Yurias from the CM to repair my weapon. Opened my Inventory....My Yuria is a PRI. 

I ask WTF in Guild Discord, and they inform me that every single time you fail an enhance at that level, not only does your durability go down, but your weapon goes back to Pri. 100% chance to downgrade upon failing.

I promptly logged out, Green Yurias still in my inventory, weapon unrepaired.  I played the Bless Unleashed Beta or a weekend. it was decent but not spectacular. I logged into BDX a few days later, played for about an hour. Logged off, didn't have the will to play anymore.

I logged in a couple of days later solely to leave my Guild and then immediately logged back out. haven't logged back in since.

Congratulations, PA. I know my money doesn't mean anything to you in the grand scheme of whaling Pay2Win, but congratulations. I'm now playing The Division 2 and praying that Square Enix announces FFXIV to Xbox at E3. just popped in here on a whim cause I was bored at work.

1 hour ago, JayMadIV said:

A couple weeks ago, not long after I made this thread.  I successfully enhanced my Yuria Blade to Duo. I was incredibly happy. YEAH BOY!  Finally had a decent weapon to replace my Black Abyssal.

I kept going, trying for Tri just like any normal enhance. fail, fail,fail,fail. At which point I said oh well, at least I got a Duo, that'll do for now, I can repair my weapon and try again later.

bought a buncha green Yurias from the CM to repair my weapon. Opened my Inventory....My Yuria is a PRI. 

I ask WTF in Guild Discord, and they inform me that every single time you fail an enhance at that level, not only does your durability go down, but your weapon goes back to Pri. 100% chance to downgrade upon failing.

I promptly logged out, Green Yurias still in my inventory, weapon unrepaired.  I played the Bless Unleashed Beta or a weekend. it was decent but not spectacular. I logged into BDX a few days later, played for about an hour. Logged off, didn't have the will to play anymore.

I logged in a couple of days later solely to leave my Guild and then immediately logged back out. haven't logged back in since.

Congratulations, PA. I know my money doesn't mean anything to you in the grand scheme of whaling Pay2Win, but congratulations. I'm now playing The Division 2 and praying that Square Enix announces FFXIV to Xbox at E3. just popped in here on a whim cause I was bored at work.

dude! lol if you quit the game because you couldn't tri a yuria then I feel sorry for you with tet and pen boss gear lol but really you shouldn't feel to give up that easy

The moment of realization came for me when I seen people frantically boosting TET with Crons after the last patch. I mean I don't think the FS system is a bad system. It makes you work for your gear. What I think is bad is the item degrading after you fail pretty much 100% of the time. I mean you grind for 2-3 months to have your progress wiped out in a few hours due to bad RNG. In the mean time you sit and watch P2W players repeatedly attempt TET over and over until they get that item to pop. 

I'm not sure about the % chance displayed on screen when going for an enhancement. It certainly doesn't feel like the displayed values are correct. I mean reblath constantly pops on a 3% chance and you can go 10 straight fails on a 25%-35% FS on a boss weapon. Bad RNG maybe. But the reality is the this company really only cares about the cash shop so I wouldn't put it past them to give you a false % on FS so they can earn more money via the cash shop.

But one thing is for sure and that is that the enhancement system is pretty disgusting and when you add in the blatant P2W costume melting that has no limit then this game will not last long before the majority of the player base see it for what it actually is. Few months and you'll have dead servers where you're struggling to get enough players to kill field bosses outside peak times.